Malone:

Ah, that’s my summary of my understanding of his [Desmet] teaching. Now please, fix me, fix what I got wrong.

Desmet:

Ah I agree with pretty much everything you said, Robert. I would underline a few small differences such as the fact-- and add some things, of course, here and there. For instance, I didn’t use the term mass formation psychosis. I prefer the term mass formation because in my opinion as a psychologist, a clinical psychologist you have to be very careful with using diagnostic terms because they can easily have a stigmatizing meaning and [Malone nods vigorously and holds his hand up in a “stop” motion] they are both an-an unethical—an unethical—from an ethical and also from a pragmatic perspective can they be a little counterproductive, I think. Um, but a--

Malone:

If can interduct [sic] to your point I just had that discussion with Brett Weinstein half an hour ago and he made exactly the same comment is that is that the term psychosis is inherently creating a barrier to ah comprehension and acceptance of the theory by those that might be ah threatened by the use of that term for exactly what you’re saying. So thank you for that reprimanding correction--